Twitter Weekly Updates for 2012-07-01

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The Long Reaching Effects of Marketing

Author: sybilnelson  //  Category: Uncategorized

So a few weeks ago I was a little bummed out about not selling a ton of books at the YALL festival. But it was still a great experience and awesome exposure. And you never know what kind of opportunities something like that opens up. For example, one lady I met there was a former principle and current middle school librarian. She invited me to come and speak to some of her students this past Wednesday at it was a great experience. The group of seventh and eighth grade girls I had were so engaged and just completely amazing. I ended up selling 15 books total and the librarian is trying to get me in contact with some of her media specialist friends. So you never know where things can go from a seeming only moderately successful marketing endeavor. I am so looking forward to my next book fair. If things work out, I should be attending five book fairs next year all in South Carolina or Georgia. Maybe in 2013 I’ll extend my book fair experiences even further.

A Sample Press Release

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A good press release is an integral part of your marketing plan. You should write one for each book you publish and anytime something newsworthy happens in regards to your book. Personally, I always struggle with press releases. I don’t like writing them and I end up putting them off until the newsworthy event isn’t new anymore. If you have the same difficulty, I thought I’d share with you what I wrote for my recent CYBIL nomination:


Sybil Nelson

Little Prince Publishing

(301) 385-9788

A CYBIL for Sybil

Charleston, SC, November 17, 2011 — Local author, Sybil Nelson was nominated for a CYBIL (Children’s and Young Adult Bloggers Literary Award) for her Middle Grade Science Fiction book Priscilla the Great ($12.99 Little Prince Publishing.) Other novels nominated in the same category include Cloaked by Alex Flinn, author of Beastly and Son of Neptune by Rick Riordan, author of The Lightning Thief.

Priscilla the Great was also voted The Most Hilarious Read of the Year by Booklopedia, it is a Flamingnet Top Choice book, winner of The Strongest Start Competition sponsored by The Next Big Writer, and the movie option for the series has been sold to a California-based production company. Priscilla the Great is currently being used as a “Book Battle” book by Pattonville area public schools in Missouri.

Tiger from All-Consuming Books says:
“Oh, this one’s hilarious. It’s like a Percy Jackson and the Olympians book crossed with a Marvel comic and a really funny episode of iCarly… This book has everything–fantastic action scenes, a cool family, strong best friends, junior-high appropriate romance, superpowers, comedy, and a heroine to root for and adore. Great is definitely the appropriate word for Priscilla.”

Tawni from The Book Worms says:

“I couldn’t stop reading, it was definitely a page turner! I couldn’t help but to connect to Priscilla, because I was wishing I was as awesome as she was when I was in 7th grade! I also laughed out loud multiple times. This book was witty and fun and I recommend it to all ages!”

Sybil Nelson is a Charleston resident and graduate student at the Medical University of South Carolina. Contact her at for information about speaking engagements and book signings.

The CYBIL Awards!

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I’ve been nominated! And yes, I think it’s hilarious that the award and I have the same name. I should get extra points for that. Anyway, I’m very proud of this nomination. I remember reading about this award last year when I was investigating marketing. I never thought I’d actually get nominated. I am in excellent company for my category of Middle Grade Science Fiction/Fantasy. Two of the other nominees are Cloaked by Alex Flinn and Son of Neptune by Rick Riordan.

So at this point, the round one judges will be reading my book and if I pass I’ll move on to the short list on New Year’s. And then the winners are announced around Valentine’s Day.

I found out about this nomination because I got an email from one of the coordinators saying that the judges hadn’t been able to find my book in their libraries. So this brings me to my next endeavor. I remember in a post a long time ago I said that I was going to write a letter to every library asking them to stock my book. Well, that was exhausting and it kind of fizzled out. But now I have a new found determination and a more professional way to go about it. For my publishing company, we are working on creating tri-fold brochures that show off our books. We’re going to do a mass mailing of these brochures to as many bookstores as we can. I’m going to do the same thing with my own personal brochure and focus on mailing these to public libraries and school libraries.

These brochures and mailings can get really expensive. One company I looked up charged over $400 to print the brochure and an additional $500 to mail them to the addresses I stipulate. I’m not ready to invest $900 in this. If I see it is really effective, I’ll put up that kind of money later. For now, I’m going to aim smaller…and cheaper. Vistaprint often has sales where you can get 25 brochures for free. I plan on taking advantage of this and just getting 25 brochures at a time and mailing them myself. I figure I can handle mailing off 25 brochures every other week or so.

Basically, I’ve decided to take my marketing to the next level. No one is going to get my name out there but me so I need to get on the ball. Thankfully, I’ll  have a lighter class load beginning in January so I should be able to do more marketing. Here are some of the things I have planned.

Write at least two posts per week on my two blogs.

Tweet at least five times per day.

Mass mailing to libraries (25 at a time)

Write one press release per month

Submit a review book to one major blogger each month

Comment on other blogs at least once a day

Look into radio interviews

Look into advertising or writing articles for teen magazines

In fact, I’ve kind of changed my NanoWriMo project into NanoMarMo…the Mar stands for marketing. Every day I’m spending time planning on how to take my writing career to the next level. I’m actually making a concerted effort to write less and market more. By this time next year, I want to be making $3000 per month in sales. When you think of all the books I have out, that’s not really that much. Soon, I’ll have 10 full novels published. Probably, 11, but let’s go with 10 for now. If I set each eBook at $2.99, I make about $2 on each sale. That means I need 1500 sales to meet that goal. And with ten books, that only means 150 sales of each book. Totally doable. I’m not even including print books, which have been doing pretty well this month.  In Sept., I sold over 1600 with only 8 ebooks. My sales fell off a little after that, but their starting to increase again.

My usually problem with my marketing gimmicks is getting too busy with other things and giving up. So each month I’m going to have to come up with some sort of challenge in order to keep myself motivated.


My First Book Fair: Tips and Warnings

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Last Saturday I attended YALL Fest, a new Young Adult book festival right here in Charleston. I wanted to share my experience as a way to get ready for my next festival in Savannah on Saturday.


I sold 26 books, got lots of signatures for my newsletters, and hopefully made some new fans. I also met another local author and made plans to share expenses for future local book festivals. The highlight of my day was when a little girl named Cora brought her friends over to my table and started raving about the Priscilla the Great series. She said she gets the books from her aunt who knows the author personally. She almost fell over when I told her I was the author. Then she had me autograph anything and everything she could get her hands on. Later she brought her twin sister by and the signing started all over again. It turns out that her aunt is my husband’s coworker who has purchased several books from me for her nieces.

I also made some great connections. Two school teachers asked me to come speak at their schools. One has already emailed me with an order of 10 books.


The festival was really expensive. It cost $200 to have an exhibitor table. For a few days I thought I had made an $18 profit after selling the 26 books, but then I realized that I hadn’t counted what I paid for the actual books. When I factor that in, it means I actually lost money! So this was a great learning experience for me. I learned to try to come up with all my cost beforehand and perhaps charge more for books. Last Saturday I only charged $10 per book with the hopes of selling a lot. I also charged only $3 for the Priscilla the Great books with the old cover. For the festival coming up in Saturday, here are my projected expenses:

Booth rental – $100

Hotel   –           $40

Books –            $130

Gas –                $50

Extras –            $50

So if I charge $15 per book, I will need to sell 25 books in order to break even. I also plan on giving discounts for multiple purchases such as 2 for $25 and 3 for $35. Maybe that way I can get more sales. To make sure this happens, I’m going to use the money I’ve allotted for extras and buy some incentives. I plan on making a basket of goodies and giving it away to one customer. Anyone who buys something will be entered to win. Since it is a children’s book festival, I plan on having some candy available in order to lure the children over to my table.

What do you need if you’re planning to attend a book fair? This is a list of things that I had which I found very helpful. Most of these things I gave away for free or added to the bag when someone bought something. I collected all these items for next to nothing by taking advantage of the Vistaprint sales.

2 Banners with my company’s name

Free Tshirts




Sticky notes


Bags (for putting in purchased products)

All of these items really helped me look professional and added to the shopping experience for the customer. I’ll let you know Monday if I actually get my 25 sales.

10,000 Sales by the end of the year.

Author: sybilnelson  //  Category: Uncategorized

Getting my PhD in Biostatistics is proving harder than I thought. I have to study a lot more than I would like which is allowing less and less time for writing. This summer was especially tough as I had to take two classes, plus my qualifying exam. I barely wrote anything this summer. Well, I’ve decided that is unacceptable. If I want to be a serious writer, I have to find time to write every day. No exceptions. So I’ve come up with a schedule that will allow me to write four more books before the end of the year and publish five more books. And my ultimate goal is to have a total of 10,000 sales by the end of the year. So this is how I’m going to do it:

Sales Goals

Ten thousand sales may seem a bit optimistic, but I’m reaching high. Right now, I’m at 4824 since I first published in August of 2010. So what makes me think I can get another 5000 sales in for months? Well, August 2011 was a great month. I sold 1,495 books last month. If I can match those sales for the rest of the year, I can easily surpass my goal of 10,000. What I think will help sales is the new releases I have planned for the rest of the year. Also, when I release DiRisio later this month, I plan on making The Queen Bee of Bridgeton free for a couple of days. That really helped sales a lot for the Priscilla the Great series. And I’ll be making the first book of that series free again when I release book four. So, hopefully, all of this will result in a steady 1500 sales a month for the rest of the year.

Publishing Goals

September –

  • The Devil of DiRisio (eBook)
  • Ain’t No Sunshine (paperback)

October –

  • Nobody Girl (eBook)
  • Priscilla the Great 3 (paperback)

November –

  • La Cienega Just Smiled (eBook and paperback)
  • Priscilla the Great 4 (eBook)

December –

  • Priscilla the Great 5 (eBook)
  • Priscilla the Great 4 (paperback)

January –

  • The Saint of Petersburg (eBook)
  • Shadows of St. Louis (eBook)

February –

  • The Best and Worst of Milli Pinkerton (eBook)

Now, PtG 5, The Saint of Petersburg, Shadows of St. Louis and The Best and Worst of Milli Pinkerton are not yet written. I’m halfway done with PtG 5, I have 20k words of Shadows and about 12k words of Petersburg. I haven’t even started Milli Pinkerton yet. But with my new writing program, I should be able to get all of them done by the end of the year.

Writing Program
Major Minor Method

800 words per day on my major project – PtG will be finished by Oct.

200 words per day on first minor project – 12,500 words added to Shadows of St. Louis by Oct.

100 per day on second minor project – 6,000 words added to St. of Petersburg by Oct.

Edit a chapter a day of major editing project.

I’ve decided I can only work on at most three books at a time, so when I’m finished with the major writing project it becomes major editing project. The first minor project becomes the major and the second minor becomes first minor. Then I add a book to the second minor position which, in this case, will be Milli Pinkerton. But I intend on using this method for the next year to see where it gets me. With this method I should have a complete a 50k word book every other month.

Yeah, so this may seem a little bit crazy and a lot impossible, but I’m going for it. I’ll keep you posted and let you know how it turns out.

Guest Post: How to Jump into the Deep Wind by Jerry Hanel

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Title: How to Jump Into the Deep End
This summer, I was fortunate enough to get to swim at a friend’s pool. I say “fortunate” because it was over 115 degrees Fahrenheit here, and I don’t have a pool of my own. It was miserable. When he called and asked if I wanted to take a break from the heat, I jumped at the opportunity. I grabbed my favorite towel, my swim trunks and my flip-flops and drove across town at break-neck speed. And the water was oh-so-fabulously cold.
But when I tried to slip down into the water, I discovered how cold it really was. Let’s just say certain parts of me weren’t well-accepting of the temperature. And no matter how much I knew in the front of my mind that I’d feel so much better once I was submerged, those parts of mine were sending signals to the back of my mind: “Abort! Abort! Shrinkage imminent! Mission failed! Exit pool immediately!”
I couldn’t go down the ladder for anything. When I climbed back up the ladder and stared at the cool water, I really wanted to get in, but there was just something wrong. That’s when I came to a conclusion. The only way I was going to get myself in that pool was to just get in. Not slowly, or an inch at a time, but to just jump on in and let the water envelop me.
So that’s what I did. I ran full-steam toward the edge of the pool, lifted my legs and made the most fabulous cannonball the world has ever known. The cool water washed over me and in the next two seconds with breath held tight in my chest, my body wanted to fire me as manager. It wasn’t just cool, it was cold!! But after the initial shock, my body and I came to an agreement that it wasn’t so bad. I came up gasping for air, and by the time I had my feet under me again, the world was just as it should be: thirty degrees cooler. So I spent the next four hours just swimming, and getting the world’s worst sunburn. But that’s a different article.
So, what do my adventures in getting into the pool have to do with writing? Everything!
When you want to get your work published, there are two ways to get the job done. You can go inch-by-inch, step-by-step down the ladder of the Traditional Publishing method. This includes writing tens (if not hundreds) of query letters and mailing or e-mailing your manuscript out to everyone and their nephew, trying to keep track of who you’ve submitted your work to, what promises you’ve made each person, and praying that you can get that one elusive acceptance letter.
Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against the traditional method of publishing. I think it works quite well, and I have nothing but the utmost respect for people who have gone this path, fought through the trauma and come out the other side. But if you’re anything like me, I couldn’t stand the thought of waiting years to see my work in print, and I couldn’t bear the emotional torment of receiving all of my queries coming back in the form of rejection after rejection. So for me, there was only one other way into this swimming pool of publishing: the all-or-nothing-can’t-believe-I’m-going-to-do-this-what-the-heck-was-I-thinking-oh-my-gosh-… cannonball.
Self-publishing is kind of like that. You have to do a lot of the leg work. You are the artist, the managing editor (although, I suggest you hire a professional editor, but again, that’s a different post) the creative director, the layout supervisor, the typesetter, the publicist, the business mogul, and the author, all wrapped up in one. And once you have what you think it takes to sell a book, you run straight at it and lift both legs and submit to Amazon or Smashwords, or Pubit or… whatever and … splash, there you are, right in the middle.
At first, your heart goes into shock. What have I done? I can’t believe this is out there! What will people think? What if there are mistakes? (remember that editor?) All of these thoughts hammer your mind, demanding that you abort, pull back, regroup, and go back to the ladder, but it’s too late. And this is a good thing actually, because once you’re in, you realize that you can do it. You’re alive in the pool, and once you figure out which way is up, you find yourself swimming right along side some of the best names in the universe.
No, I’m not talking about King, Evanovich and Rowling (although, they are making their indie debuts, now, too!!) I’m talking about Lieske, Hocking, Locke and … of course Sybil Nelson. If you take the time to reach out to these wonderful people, you’ll see that they are probably the nicest people on earth. And contrary to everything I’d once believed about top-selling authors — where you scratch and fight for each reader — these folks would just as soon help you succeed as they would talk about their own books. That’s why I am so enamored with the Independent movement in writing today.
It isn’t a step-on-your-neighbor-to-get-bigger mentality. Instead, they lock arms side-by-side and walk this out with you. My books have really taken a jump in the past month or two, and I would love to say that it’s because of great writing. Every story needs an element of great writing, and you have to keep writing your next book, even while selling the first book. That’s a given. But what surprised me to the core was the support and advice I’ve received from so many of today’s top-selling indie authors in the past year. I literally wouldn’t be where I am today without their help.
So, if you’re considering becoming an author, feel free to jump on in. Trust me when I say, the water’s fine. And whether you jump in via a cannonball, or you choose to slip down the ladder step-by-step, I can’t wait to see you swimming along side.
And if you are just one of Sybil’s non-author readers, hopefully this article has given you some insight into the independent authors around the world. They really are some of the nicest folks you could ever meet. When you buy one of these books, you’re not funding some major evil corporation. You’re buying some amazing works of art from people who really care about their neighbors. That’s a cool, refreshing wave in today’s grab-it-for-yourself society. And I, for one, am happy to be a part of it.
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Jerry Hanel is the author of the Brodie Wade series of Paranormal Thrillers.

Guest Post: No Good Deed by Julie Ann Dawson

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No Good Deed Goes Unpunished

I am a big proponent of caused-based marketing.  Cause-based marketing is a style of marketing that benefits a non-profit or charity.  I’ve written extensively about it in the past and all the reasons why it is a good thing, for both you and your community. The beauty of being a micro press or indie author is that you don’t need to deal with corporate protocols before deciding to support a charity.  You can just do it.

But one thing I always point out is that, when you decide to support a charity, you need to communicate with them what you are doing.  Most charities are extremely accommodating and supportive of fundraising efforts on their behalf, but others have carefully manicured public images, and you can run afoul if you are trading on their image to promote a book they may not approve of.

One story I often share is the case of a gaming convention that was holding a charity auction to benefit a local children’s charity.  Many publishers and gamers donated items for the auction, and they raised several thousand dollars.  But when they went to present the check to the charity, it was refused.  The charity was Christian-based, and did not want to be associated with roleplaying games.

But there are also legal issues that can spring up as well, as is the case of my recent fundraiser for Operation Backpack, a special project of Volunteers of America.  I’m currently sponsoring a special fundraising bundle that includes by book, A Game of Blood, along with works by several other authors who have generously donated their books for the cause.  We’ve raised over $1500 so far, and I hope we can pass the $2,000 mark before the end of the month.

Now I have been an Operation Backpack supporter for years.  Each year, I normally do some sort of fundraiser to buy backpacks and school supplies for homeless children.  I’ve been doing fundraisers since I launched Bards and Sages all the way back in 2002.  So I started to check off my list of things to do. I communicated with one of my distributors, the folks at Drivethrufantasy,com, my intention to use their site to host the fundraiser.  They responded by offering to waive almost all of their commissions on the sale of the fundraiser bundle.  Then, as I always do, I sent an email to Volunteers of America to let them know about the fundraiser and what I was doing.

My mistake was telling them after I already had everything in place.  See, I have done smaller scale fundraisers on their behalf before, and communicated with them in the past.  So I made the assumption that just holding a fundraiser on a bigger scale would be the same as holding a smaller one.

Little did I know, however, that the state of New Jersey had passed a special law regarding caused-based marketing efforts of businesses in the state.  ALL fundraisers run by private individuals or businesses that were promoted in the state had to be officially registered with the state, and a legal contract between the charity and the business was required before any promotion could begin.

Now of course all charities active in the state had been informed of this law, but it wasn’t something promoted to the general public.  So you can image my surprise when VOA informed me of the situation.  Thankfully, the folks at VOA are amazing and we were able to get the legal paperwork done quickly to resolve the issue.  But if I had NOT communicated with them, and someone in the state had reported the fundraiser to the government, I could have been fined for not registering the event.  Yes, I could have been legally published for trying to raise money for a charity without informing the state!

So the moral of the story is that before starting any charity fundraiser, make it a point to communicate what you are doing with the charity before you start!


Julie Ann Dawson is an American horror fiction writer, RPG designer, and publisher. Visit her Amazon page for access to all of her many books!

Twitter Weekly Updates for 2011-08-21

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  • Buy Queen Bee of Bridgeton, Codename: Dancer, Hot Ticket, and Songbird for the price of three! A Great Deal! #
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  • Learn the mistakes of self publishing with TL Haddix #
  • Buy Queen Bee of Bridgeton, Codename: Dancer, Hot Ticket, and Songbird for the price of three! A Great Deal! #
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Self Publishing Lessons with T.L. Haddix

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Today for a guest post we have author T.L. Haddix who is going to share some of the mistakes she made in the early days of her career. Pay attention to her advice and you can save yourself the time of repeating her mistakes. Also, check out her novels which are now 99 cents for a limited time only.

In mid 2009, I started writing with the serious intent of producing a book.  I was completely green, utterly unprepared for the job.  Aside from a handful of papers I turned in as assignments during a brief stint in college, I hadn’t written anything significant since graduating high school in 1994.  The task in front of me was daunting, but fortunately, I had no clue just how daunting.  If I had, I wouldn’t have attempted it.

When my first book, Secrets in the Shadows, was finished, I jumped into promotion with both feet – and landed in the mud.  I am not ashamed to tell you that I was one of those pesky self-published authors  you hear about – posting on forums without regard to the participants’ sensibilities, saying “Buy my book, you’ll love it!”.  I am not ashamed to admit this because I’ve learned from my early mistakes, and I think admitting that is important.  Too many times these days, people don’t own their mistakes.  I’m more than willing to own mine, because I learned from them.

Aside from the blundering across forums, there were other mistakes I made, as well.  First, I joined way too many forums without being familiar with how they operated, who their users were, the whole nine yards.  Forums are online communities, don’t let anyone tell you differently.  They have their various social structures just like society in the ‘real’ world does.  If you wander into a forum and start clambering around, barging in here and there, asking people to buy your book, you’re going to make a name for yourself.  It just won’t be the kind of name you want.  If I had it to do over again, I would start with two forums that are targeted toward readers, and would integrate myself into them carefully and respectfully.  I’d grow from there, and only become active on as many forums as I felt I could comfortably manage.  Also, I’d advise anyone just starting out in this business to take an hour or three and research forum etiquette.  It would be time well spent.

The second mistake I made with promotion was to just jump in and follow the crowd to the most popular advertising and review sites.  In hindsight, what I should have done was – again – do my research first.  Find the sites that have audiences who read my genre, and go there first.  For someone who prides herself on being prepared, knowledge-wise, I sure blundered my way through the first few months of my career with a lot of disregard toward learning the process.  After all, it does a Romantic Suspense author very little good to try selling her wares at a Sci-Fi/Fantasy-targeted website.

Third mistake?  Not knowing beforehand what genre I fell into.  We are human, and humans love to categorize things.  We pigeonhole everything – from color-coded laundry to alphabetizing the phone book, having a thousand different names for every shade of color imaginable, all the way down to sub-genres of sub-genres.  I know this – when I look for a book to read, I head straight for my favorite genres (which are Regency Romance and Suspense/Mystery).  Not only do you confuse potential readers who are looking for your genre, you may anger some who buy your books that are listed as one genre, but then they read them and discover that they’re an entirely different genre altogether.  Author/publisher Julie Dawson has put together a great reference for authors, which you can find here.

Perhaps the biggest mistake of all, though, was underestimating how much time and energy the business end of writing takes up.  If I am promoting my books the way I should, which means blogging, visiting forums and participating in them (not just as an author, but as a reader, as well), doing blog tours, advertising, and all the other plethora of tasks a self-published author must do, I can expect to spend between ten and twenty hours per week on this endeavor.  Sometimes more.  That’s in addition to the time I spend actually writing, which adds up to between twenty and forty hours per week, depending on what stage I am at in the creative process.  That means that, when I’m working full schedule, I can expect to spend around sixty hours per week as a writer.  Those hours are nothing to sneeze at.  I am fortunate enough that I can do this full time, and I can barely manage to do it all.  I don’t see how people who work or have children accomplish what they do.  I can honestly tell you that I wouldn’t be able to swing it, and I admire those who can.

The best lessons I’ve learned from my dash into self-publishing have been that preparation and research pay off big-time, and to don’t take myself too seriously.  Everyone makes mistakes, it’s part of the process.  Hopefully, by sharing my own adventures, I can save someone else a little time down the road.

T. L. Haddix is the author of the Leroy’s Sins Series, stand-alone Romantic Suspense novels, which are available in both print and e-book form at Amazon, Barnes and Noble and other fine online retailers.  She lives in northeastern Ohio with her husband and three cat-children, and is hard at work on the next installment of the Leroy’s Sins series.  You can contact her at, through or at

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